The trial of Elizabeth Holmes has been everywhere recently. And now that it’s over, our guest Tyler Shultz can finally share some behind-the-scenes secrets from working at Theranos. Tyler met Elizabeth when he was just 20 years old. After two “miserable” years working at Theranos, he spoke to the Wall Street Journal, exposing his realization that the tests were fakes. Now at 31, Tyler is the CEO and Co-Founder of Flux Biosciences.

In this episode, Tyler tells us about what it was like working at Theranos with Elizabeth Holmes and how we can all keep another Theranos from rising.

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